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Duchess Starbuckington
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Posted - 2010.10.09 23:44:00 -
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Oooook, so it's fine for Minmatar to have the best guns all round, but god forbid Caldari should have debatably (bolded for emphasis) one of the best t1 battlecruisers? Riiiiight. Cry the **** more please.
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Posted - 2010.10.16 00:46:00 -
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2 Caldari ships... 1 on top of the list, the other near the bottom
And it's worth mentioning that ship is a stealth bomber, a ship class where the racial variations are miniscule to non existant. It could just as easily have been the hound there, so it's worth discounting that one.
Having said that, those statistics are flawed in a significant way: namely the fact they don't take the context of those kills into account.
Think about it, how many carebears have you seen bringing their PVE Drakes out to PVP with?
Sure, there are a whole lot of Drakes on killmails, but if you were to filter out the number which contributed next to nothing to the fight, or who had 0 damage due to flight time, that number would shrink significantly.
People who think the Drake needs a nerf need to stfu. I repeat: why is it ok for Minmatar to have hands down the best guns in the game, but not for Caldari to have debatably the best BC?
Do we need to nerf the Ishkur/Jaguar for being the best AFs? Do we need to nerf the Damnation for being the best armour command ship?
If you really think something is wrong with the Drake, you may want to take a look at the other cases where one race has a very clear advantage over the rest and add those to the nerf list as well.
I'll also repeat this: cry the **** more.
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Posted - 2010.10.16 12:37:00 -
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In no particular chronological order:
Hurricane - Projectile buff
Harbinger - Laser buff
Myrmidon - Drone bandwidth nerf? I didn't play far back enough to see what this was like before they reworked the drone system but I hear it was hilariously OP. No particular buff to speak of, although I suppose the projectile buff could apply as the AC Myrm is pretty good.
So, what nerfs exactly?
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Posted - 2010.10.16 13:42:00 -
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Oh I wasn't saying there was any nerfing going on, indirect or otherwise, just that the point about "The Drake has seen the least amount of nerfs over recent years." is ****ing stupid.
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Posted - 2010.10.16 18:16:00 -
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Especially as there are no doubt plenty of other ships that would be similarly horrible if blobbed up that people just haven't noticed yet.
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Posted - 2010.10.19 12:39:00 -
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With proper scimitar support DRAKES WILL NOT DIE !
I think this says a lot more about Scimitar balance than Drake balance TBH. As I've said before in the rest of this thread that you obviously haven't bothered reading: you can get good results out of pretty much everything if you back it up with 20 logistic ships.
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Posted - 2010.10.19 22:07:00 -
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^ Nice post.
Shame they'll ignore it.
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Posted - 2010.10.20 00:53:00 -
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Edited by: Duchess Starbuckington on 20/10/2010 00:58:06
Originally by: V'hellu
I could've sworn the drakes were already nerfed in the not too distant past....
Could be wrong though, but I thought it was around the same time that vagabonds were nerfed....
You're thinking of the nano nerf. At the same time as speeds were nerfed, missiles were rebalanced so they could actually hit things (albeit still with damage reductions, just not ridiculously huge ones).
Drakes have never been nerfed as such, and missiles in general got a buff, but as I've pointed out last page the other battlecruisers (most recently the Hurricane) have also seen buffs.
Oh and one more point (unrelated to the above): as I've also explained on the previous page, taking killboard stats and saying "Drake is the #1 most used ship, this makes it OP" is just as ****ing stupid as the rest of the nerf calling.
I'd love to see the reaction if someone put a Cerb/Scimi blob together. Similar (pure missile) dps to a Drake with better resists, higher mobility and better range, plus faster missile flight.
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Posted - 2010.10.20 01:01:00 -
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Edited by: Duchess Starbuckington on 20/10/2010 01:02:29
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Hmm. I thought they nerfed the shield tanking on drakes also, at least that's what I was told when I used to fly drakes.
IIRC they nerfed the passive recharge somewhat.
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If that isn't true, then drake shields are a bit OP. I remember once, I tanked either a damnation or absolution in a drake (I forget which is which, it was the field command ship), and almost killed it in a drake against a pirate who had a few years more on my character at the time.
That was a pretty ****-poor Absolution tbh.
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Also, it's not too terribly difficult to gear a drake up to tank level 4 missions, which is a bit absurd imo.
Yes, it can tank them.
Good luck doing them in a remotely sensible time compared to a BS though. This situation is fine.
(Also PVE and PVP balance should never be mixed.)
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Posted - 2010.10.20 10:45:00 -
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Ah also, it's just occured to me that if you're talking about nerfing stuff based on its PVE performance - passive tank Ishtar anyone?
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Posted - 2010.10.23 23:12:00 -
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Edited by: Duchess Starbuckington on 23/10/2010 23:15:54
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You get 50 Arty Canes together...
Just to emphasise the point he was making, 50 artycanes with the setup my corp uses is an alpha of 110,000 at 70km.
Which hits instantly.
Just saying.
Any guesses what the new blob-battlecruiser will be if the Drake gets a nerf?
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Posted - 2010.10.26 11:53:00 -
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try with bc from other races to do lvl4/lvl4 wh space, good luck. nerf drake pls.
PVE performance should never be grounds to nerf a ship for PVP.
Besides, Drakes run level 4s ridiculously slowly. Sure they can tank them but good luck with a decent mission completion time.
You know Ishtars can do level 5s? ZOMG NERF TEH ISHTARZZZZZ!1!!11
Idiot.
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Posted - 2010.10.28 01:27:00 -
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Originally by: Nocturnal miner
easy fix (no idea if it has been suggested yet)
to be in line with the raven and caracal, much like other tier 2 bc's
10% missile velocity bonus instead of shield resist
Great, a range bonus. Now buff missile velocity significantly so they can actually take advantage of this, then buff missile precision so stuff like HAMs can hit for reasonable damage outside tackle range.
Oops, your "easy fix" isn't looking so easy any more is it?
Drake is fine, nerf the ability to back a fleet with 50 logistics instead.
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Posted - 2010.11.03 19:42:00 -
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Originally by: Nadia Chow
Originally by: Gypsio III
Originally by: Solid Star
And anyone that believes there is nothing wrong needs their head examined. If CCP doubled the DPS and range of a tank they would still say the Drake is balanced.
If Drakes aren't overpowered solo and in small gang, but are overpowered in laggy blob with logistics support, then the problem isn't the Drake, it's the laggy blob or the logistics support.
Not much more to it than that, really. 
So simple, and so true.
Exactly.
There's not much you can't make awesome with 30 logistics ships backing you up.
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Posted - 2010.11.07 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: Pheonix Kanan
Drakes aren't the problem, it's passive shield tanking that the issue. It's unbalanced vs every other form of tanking.
Thanks for letting us know in advance you have no idea what you're talking about.
You don't passive tank Drakes for PVP.
Those fits you linked, along with passive Drakes in general, are mission ships.
Please stay the **** out of nerf debates until you learn basic terminology.
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Posted - 2010.11.12 19:31:00 -
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Looks like the Drake is off the top, while the other Caldari ships are falling off the bottom.
Also notice the fact that one of those Caldari ships is a stealth bomber - and the Minmatar one is not only also on that list but higher up.
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Posted - 2010.11.13 00:46:00 -
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Edited by: Duchess Starbuckington on 13/11/2010 00:50:21
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Nonsense! If you have learned nothing from this thread, you should have at least discovered that the Drake possesses a special magical quality that bypasses even training time. It is just THAT good.
And naturally, you don't need any missile support skills to make it put out non-lolworthy dps, no sir, you can be in a fully fitted high-damage pwnmobile within 2 weeks of starting this game!
Actually I just made an EVEmon plan of the lowest character I have on here (About 1.7mil SP) - it takes over a month for battlecruiser 4 and t2 heavies alone.
To make this even clearer: that's with no fitting skills, no missile support skills, no shield, cap or propulsion mods.
As I'm fairly sure I've stated before: A Drake is easy to train for. A well skilled/fitted Drake is not.
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Posted - 2010.11.13 11:59:00 -
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Edited by: Duchess Starbuckington on 13/11/2010 12:03:03
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The answer is obvious.
The fact it steamrolls level 3 missions? That's why a few of my corp trained it.
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People can and do passive tank drakes for PVP
Yes, idiots bringing their mission ships passive tank them. PVP fit Drakes on the other hand are buffer fitted.
(Did you just not know the difference? Either way you shouldn't even be part of this debate.)
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The fits I linked are not mission ships
Yeah, they actually are mission/general PVE ships. That's what passive tanking is used for, and the only place it's actually impressive. Good PVP fits do not passive tank.
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